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United States: There's nothing like Harry Potter to bring the fundies out of the woodwork, as Marshall Field's discovered when they selected the boy wizard as the theme for their 2000 Christmas display. I have to wonder if they are just as miffed over this year's theme of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
It's a given that these intellectual giants are ignorant of that fine Christian tradition of co-opting pagan traditions as their own to convert the heathen masses.
Get your facts straight people. The Christians hijacked the pagan celebration of the winter solstice and the Roman celebration of Saturnalia. These celebrations date back at least 4,000 years, long before the birth of Christ and are responsible for such Christmas traditions as the Christmas Tree and decorations, Mistletoe and Exchange of Gifts. The actual date that was chosen to be the notional birth of Jesus was, in fact, the day celebrated as the birthday of Mithras, the Persian sun god who was popular at the time Christmas was created by the Pope in 320AD. Rather than try to get the peasants to change celebration dates it was decided to use this date even though evidence suggests that Jesus was actually born around midsummer, i.e. June or July.
Harry Potter and The Origin of Christmas - The Green Man, 26th November 2003.
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1: Posted by: pericat | December 4, 2003 8:36 AM
Oh, dear. I saw the last lot you lured here by posting "Harry Potter" and "Christians" in the same sentence.
2: Posted by: Skadi Beorg | January 9, 2004 6:57 PM
Th fllwng s rcnt (Jn 2004) dlg btwn Skd Brg nd "th Grn Mn", frm Skd's pstn:
Y sd: m ntrgd by yr ssrtn Skd. [Tht Chrstnty s th wrld's ldst pth]. Cn y lbrt? Th mst cmmnly ccptd dfntn f Chrstnty s "th rlgn drvd frm Jss Chrst, bsd n th Bbl s scrd scrptr, nd prfssd by strn, Rmn Cthlc, nd Prtstnt bds"
>> Jst bcs ths s th mst cmmn dfntn f Chrstnty, ds tht mk t th mst crrct n? Cnsdr th src f th dfntn. n r ll thr f th mnln grps. Ntc tht t dsclds Cltc Chrstnty (dstryd by bth Plgs nd gstn, wh fght vr th ss f whthr prsn cn bcm Chrstlk ln r wth th sl hlp f th Sprt f Chrst), nd ll thr frms f Chrstnty t ncld Jdc Chrstnty f th xtnt rmc nd Syrc spkrs, Thmssnn Chrstns f sthrn nd (wh dt thr xprnc bck t th pstl Thms)nd Jhnnn Chrstnty (my wn prtclr pth). m sr, bcs f th mltplcty f ds n th wrld, tht thr r thr frms.
Y sd:t s lmst nvrslly ccptd tht Jss ws Jw by brth...
>> Jss WS Jw by brth, bt ths ws bcs H, bng th rlsd Dnyss (Tmmz, dns, srs, th Gllc gd ss,nd vn "th Grn Mn", .. Jhn Brlycrn, tc.) ws brngng lf bck t th nvrsl rdr f Mlchzdk v th spcfc rdr f brhm, th lttr whch prshd nc th jb ws fnshd. Tw, nd thr r mr, f th xtnt pths n th rdr f Mlchzdk r Dhyn Bddhsm (Zn)nd L Tz Tsm.
Y sd:
nd ntl pprxmtly 100D Chrstnty ws rgrdd s mssnc sct f Jdsm.
>> Ths s nt trth. Ths s wht rgnsd Chrstndm stts s mttr f fct, bt nyn nvlvd wth Chrstndm (s ppsd t tr nd mst ncnt Chrstnty) s thr lr r dpd. Jdsm my ls nsst ths, bt hv nt stdd thr thghts n Jss clsly. Th trth s tht th dth nd rsrrctn f th Dty thrgh th Jwsh stn-msn (tht's wht bbl-rchlgsts r syng nw) Jss s frst hstrcl trth, thn hstrcl n. Ths mns tht ll th wrld knw Hm whn h cm, nd f n wll g nd stdy pr-Jss (pr-Chrstn) wrld mythlgs,n wll fnd tht th Myth f th Hngd Gd s vrywhr, n vry cltr, frm th Lkt (sndncs) t th Nrs (dn hngng n wnd-swpt tr).
Y ssrt: Chrstnty s rlgn n ts wn rght ws brn bt ths tm.
>> Ths s ls wrng, f y mn rgnsd Chrstndm. Chrstnty s n rgnsd, nfd rlgn ws frmd t th Cncl f Nc clld by th bldthrsty "Chrstn" Rmn Byzntn mprr Cnstntn n th Frth Cntry D. f y mn thr knds f Chrstnty, thy sm t hv bgn wth Mry (Sml; r Mr th S-Gddss) whn sh rcvd th nws f th brth f th Chrst (chthys, r XY, nd y'll frgv th lck f Grk fnt) thrgh hr. wll rg gnst myslf hr nd stt tht Tr Chrstnty hs lwys bn wth s, vry snc hmnty flt th nd f rhrmnstn. Ths rhrmny, th ncnt srs sw, cld nly b dn n n wy: th dth, nd thn rsrrctn, f th Dty.
Y sk:f Chrstnty rgntd frm Jdsm fl t ndrstnd hw t cld hv prdtd t.
>> Myb nw y cn s tht Chrstnty dd nt, n fct, rgnt frm Jdsm, bt frm ntdlvn srcs, nd ntc mk srcs plrl. nvt frthr dlg. W ll hv mch t lrn.
3: Posted by: Feòrag | January 10, 2004 9:32 AM
Bollocks - how am I going to disemvowel a comment that long? Where that text editor?
4: Posted by: Red Wolf | January 11, 2004 9:15 AM
First time I've heard the mantra of Christianity being older than Christ. I'm no theologian, but there seems to be a slight logic problem with that statement.
Maybe Skadi should be off having a chat with the creationists instead of pasting dribbling rants from an argument with The Green Man, who is a far more tolerant soul than the folk around here who favour public castigation over debating with the insane.
Learning some basic HTML to structure overly long comments might come in handy too.
5: Posted by: Skadi Beorg | January 12, 2004 6:17 PM
gss trnsfrrng n dcmnt t nthr, nd spclly t n rn nd spprtd by rbd s-clld pgns sch s "Rd Wlf", s mstk. Srry fr th rdcls...
nywy, hstrcty s nt lgcl. Y r byng nt rtnlstc grbg f y thnk vrythng shld hv chrnlgcl rdr. Chrstnty s ldr thn Chrst. Tht's th vry pnt f t. G bck nd d yr rsrch. vn Fndmntlsts nd vnglcls sy ths, nd m nthr. s fr s crtnsts r cncrnd, wll... nthng sllr bvsly. Sms lk sm Prttl rdrs r s clsd mndd s th frks thy strk t gnst wth thr "pblc cstgtn". Wht bt pblc cstrtn. Blls cm n ll shps nd szs. Th bggst ns r ths wh strk t n blnd mdnss wtht bng sn. Hr. Lt m gv y my home address. Thn lt's s hw bld y r. 6601 Old Shell Road. Mobile, Alabama.(Yp. Y'r fuckng wth Rd Nck nw. W lk t hnt Rd Wlvs).
6: Posted by: Red Wolf | January 12, 2004 9:37 PM
Using Fundamentalists and Evangelicals as an example of trustworthy souls to prove your own fantasy is always a good move. After all we know they never lie, or molest their flock, or abscond with ill-gotten funds from their latest scam the gullible campaign.
7: Posted by: Feòrag | January 13, 2004 3:02 PM
Oh dear, I see a clash of policies. Here - let me restore a single vowel to Skardi's last post.
8: Posted by: pril | January 16, 2004 4:44 AM
it's almost a shame you guys disenvowel the christians. A good, rabid comment is nearly as funny as watching "Jackass".
9: Posted by: Red Wolf | January 16, 2004 11:23 AM
If you want to read the first comment it was a direct cut and paste from The Green Man's article. The second was just the usual mindless fundie drivel accusing the atheists who post here of being pagans, with some threats and rants thrown in for good measure. You've got to laugh.
10: Posted by: Terri | January 20, 2004 4:40 AM
"accusing the atheists who post here of being pagans"
HoohoooHOOO...that's me alright, your basic atheist pagan!
Love it that the fundies can inadvertently get some thing right!
Terri, a.k.a Aquila ka Hecate
11: Posted by: George Haversham | January 4, 2005 8:13 PM
I know it's been awhile (January 2004), but the fundie with the thing about the Green Man seems pretty right on about Christ being much older than Christianity, et al. (I re-emvoweled him). Shame he got violent with Red Wolf. Kinda blew his message, but all in all he seems a thinking lad. He may not even be a fundie after all. Let's not be so quick to judge, just because somebody says "Jesus". I'm a Pagan/Heathen/etc., and what he said seems really worth looking into. Why don't we dig the Green Man comment back up, disemvowel it, and publish it? It's worth the look, eh? What ya think? By the way, take a look at the beginning of Arthur Machen's "The White People". I think our "fundie" lunatic may have something in common with the "insane" sage dialoguing there...
12: Posted by: Feòrag | January 5, 2005 5:58 PM
Rather like its human analogy, disemvowelment cannot be undone. I suggest that rather than filling up my site with religious advertising, Ms. Beorg needs to get her own web site.
13: Posted by: George Haversham | January 5, 2005 7:03 PM
So, Feorag (pardon the lack of fada), are you suggesting that I didn't read the Beorg disemvowelment? Your type of "pagan" is no more open-minded than the Fundies you lambast. You're all in the same narrow curragh. The world is one way, you are angry at a system or series of systems, and you don't know what else to do but strike out. I was there once. There are ways out of those hells. You'll probably make fun of this comment, too, which will prove your myopic position. Or, you can delete it... but not from your own mind. You seem to have really been threatened by Beorg. Apparently he/she hasn't written in a year, yet you, and only yestreen, say that "she" needs to get her own website. I've been around many Fundies, and many Pagans/Heathens/Witches, etc. (as I am a Heathen of Wod/Lok extraction myself) You and your blogging gang here are of the more closed-minded variety, and so maybe should form your own church, your own religious advertising being of top Fundie quality... INTOLERANCE being your obvious hallmark.
14: Posted by: Feòrag | January 6, 2005 7:25 AM
Red Wolf has just pointed out that "George" mysteriously appears to be posting from the same IP address as "Skadi". I wonder why that might be?
15: Posted by: George Haversham | January 7, 2005 7:47 PM
Okay. You got me. It's a university address, and I have met Skadi here at school. You've got us both wrong, but that's because of your intolerance and prejudices. She happens to be a Christian, I happen to worship Wodin. Interesting how open-minded people can relate well... You're also right. Why would I want to read Prattle? I just dropped by to talk... apparently you're so angry that's impossible, so, oh well.
16: Posted by: Feòrag | January 7, 2005 8:52 PM
Strange how the two of you used the same machine in the same cluster, in what is presumably a vast, campus-wide network at the Univeristy of South Alabama.
The main purpose of the Prattle is not that of a discussion forum - it's a news site, with a very limited commenting facility. If all you want to do is chat about alternative religious history, I suggest the Fortean Times message boards. That's a much better place to drop by for that sort of thing.
Here, we know that religion is fundamentally stupid, and therefore don't really care exactly when a particular set of ludicrous beliefs was invented, or by whom.
17: Posted by: George Haversham | January 10, 2005 8:13 PM
Logic fails you, Feorag. Stranger things have obviously occured in the world than two people using the same computer, yet you're stuck on the possibility that I am also Skadi. Very narrow, my friend. Very narrow. Take care... By the way. I will add something that Skadi's hot head (and later very hurt feelings) didn't allow her to say. She was only looking for friends in the pagan/heathen community. She thought she had found a site to share her thoughts on, but she was wrong. You are rabid (I guess you know the Green Man has said that as well), and so actually promote a selfish version of news when you could have a much wider reading audience. But maybe you don't want that. Maybe you want friends like Red Wolf...
18: Posted by: Feòrag | January 10, 2005 9:31 PM
Perhaps my confusion comes from your own statements. Can you tell me which of the following are true?
Emphasis mine. As far as I am aware, gender reassignment takes a few years to complete. And please remember, there are no Pagans here.
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